Beware of False Prophets!
The whole situation at DeafRead has saddened me, as it has many of us. Some people have said that the problems have been there before any specific individual. True enough. However, I have found some information about a certain person who is the true instigator of the current firestorm. It is my hope that this information will help all of us to realize that many of us were duped by a specific person to get revenge on a very worthy organization and people by using proxies to destroy the DBC. Let us all unite once again, and nevermore let this person get in the way of our community! To see the PDF file, click on this link: Beware of False Prophets! I apologize for not doing a vlog on this, but there is WAY too much information to condense into a few minutes.
Tony Nicholas said,
July 15, 2008 @ 11:38 pm
Have u found anyone to set up the aggregator, I would be willing to help run it!
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 4:22 am
Tony,
I’m not sure yet, but I think there may be one on the way… I’ll definitely keep you in mind for the team!
Karen Mayes said,
July 16, 2008 @ 6:29 am
Hmmm… I am going to say this: personal vendattas don’t help; instead it makes things worse. However, if you choose to pursue in character defaming, it is your call. I know you are hurt, but seeking out revenge does not help.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 7:05 am
I am not hurt — not by him, anyway. He actually never said anything against me, unlike some other people. But he did hurt the Deaf community greatly, and I think we need to stop remaining silent when somebody does so with malicious intent. He has demonstrated a pattern of this, so it is clear that this is not an isolated incident.
Mishkazena said,
July 16, 2008 @ 7:42 am
Don, how do you explain what Amy, Anne Marie, Diane, and I have shared? We have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by acknowledging the truth. We are very saddened to see the chaos in the Deaf Community. Had the DBC been transparent from the beginning, none of this would have happened.
I do not want to see anyone fired over this, not at all. I was really dismayed when I heard the news. For me personally, if some people are against cochlear implants, I respect their opinions. So many people in the Deaf Community disapprove cochlear implants as it removes the integral trait, the most valuable asset of Deaf Community, deafness. That makes a lot of sense.
I do not want to see DBC destroyed, not at all. I’ve repeatedly stated how impressive the feat they managed to pull with the DBC conference and how inspired and empowered the DBC participants experienced afterwards. It’s very obvious to me that with the Deaf Community, DBC is on the right track. That has never been disputed.
Whether people agree that Deafhood should be part of DBC or not, it is up to the Deaf Community to decide. Sometimes it is not easy to expect everybody to embrace an organization with two agenda. That’s ok. We don’t have to please everybody. After all, this is America. I think that may be the root of the problem.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 7:54 am
MZ –
You guys had your concerns, and they were legitimate in terms of you were concerned about procedures. I have no problem with that, and I think others didn’t too. You, and Amy and A-M expressed them in a responsible, concerned manner. However, Barry Sewell didn’t. He showed hypocrisy in his every action regarding the DBC thing, and he has shown a pattern of behavior (I hope you read the file) that shows he comes into something and poisons it with his touch every time. This is what I am standing against. Not you, not Amy, A-M or Diane, but him and his actions. He poured gasoline over DBC, lit the match, and then stood back to watch the bonfire, and occasionally came back in to fuel the flames. He did this out of his own personal grievances, and used other people as his pawns to achieve his goal.
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:16 am
Once, I googled “Barry Sewell” + deaf. I was too lazy to do in-depth research BUT I wondered to myself that Barry was interested in using DBC to sell his bottled water with DBC labels (check out cazona.com)…I remember Barry mentioning in his blog he wanted to share his financial interests with DBC…do you remember the anon post about bottled water analogies over at ben vess’ blog? I’m sure that anon was Barry’s post.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:47 am
No, I don’t remember any bottled water analogies, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had been doing some commenting “anonymously”. He is a chameleon who hides behind every mask he can create. Alias after alias after alias. I just wonder how many more aliases are out there.
Finally Some Logic said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:55 am
Don,
Thank you for this research. I suspected the same of this man and glad you have validated my thoughts.
Mishkazena,
Don’t you think that you, Amy, Ben, Anne Marie, Diane are were sucked into the moment with this angry man. Like Don said he rode in like a “false prophet”. He took the lead and fueled the flames. He didn’t care who he took down all in the name of forcing DBC to admit that they value Deaf culture and identity call it Deafhood if you like. Tell me as a Deaf person how you can separate language, culture and idenity? Tell me as French person, an Japanese person, a Korean person how you can do this?
Ranting and raving over transparency, integrity, accountability when all along DBC has been all of that is what people on the outside can’t understand. Don’t try to explain, I have already heard enough of your explanations that you were part of DBC….blah, blah, blah… That has nothing to do with what you all have done to the Deaf Community’s reputation, individual’s reputations, Deaf Read’s reputation, and your own reputation. I am sorry you were drawn into his angry diabolical man’s lure….
Sheri A. Farinha said,
July 16, 2008 @ 9:02 am
Don,
First of all, alot of your posts lately have been very good, some humourous, some straightforward. You explained Deafhood very well. However, this one post, I have to disagree with the purpose of why you are doing this for the same reasons already explained by Mishka Zena.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Enough people have been hurt.
Move on.
The Rogue said,
July 16, 2008 @ 9:14 am
I am not surprised about Barry Sewell. I caught some glimpse of his oddest behavior on his vlogs from Deaf TV. I guess he stopped immediately yesterday. I assumed he noticed I brought up “Background check” on him for you. I knew he observed on us real close from Deafread and Deaf TV. I just stayed away from him.
I would not near a person who acted strange about America Indians culture and “Linear” approach. I don’t buy it from his comments. You are right that Barry Sewell never share what his opinions and his thoughts with this Deaf Community. I am sorry to being blunt that I hate to be called “Brothers and Sisters”.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 9:15 am
Sherri –
I understand what you are saying, and ordinarily I would agree with you. Most of the time, I think “oh, s/he made a mistake, but hopefully s/he won’t do it again”, or I will think “Ok, I don’t like this person, and I’m never going to trust this person with anything”. But these are individuals who only hurt me or individuals I am close with. They did not orchestrate the near-destruction of a whole community (and DeafRead is a community of a sort)
But Barry Sewell single-handedly started the chain of events that has damaged the future of DBC, and consequently, the future of our Deaf children. Not because he sincerely had an issue, but because he had a personal axe to grind. It would have been one thing to say there was a concern about the procedures of the DBC Core, but it is quite another to attack their personal motivations and characters to achieve his ends. He caused a huge division in our community, and caused us to lose trust in each other, which will be hard to regain. He has set us all back in our common goals, all because of his personal grudge. And, it is not a one-time thing. He has done it before — to the Intertribal Deaf Council, to his own community where he lives, and he owns a business with shady underpinnings (IMDEAF.Com) that is preying on members of our community by taking their money without return.
After World War II, the Nuremburg Trials were held to put the world on notice that not only Hitler was accountable, but his underlings, Goebbels, Speer, Hess, and others. The Nuremburg Trials helped the world to move on. I am not advocating going after Ben, MishkaZena, Amy, or others who expressed concerns with DBC. I believe their concerns were/are genuine (although I do want to ask, but I don’t know if I’m going to get an answer — just WHO raised these concerns first? I’m willing to bet it was Barry).
All I’m saying is I want Barry Sewell to know that we all know who he is, what he does to us whenever he gets involved with us, and that we will NEVER let him taint our affairs again!
Stephen Hardy said,
July 16, 2008 @ 9:49 am
Deaf Bilingual Coalition is worth preserving; however, they need to establish some ground rules such as confidentiality agreements, mission and vision statements, etc. just like most organizations.
There are questions such as:
1. Who is running meetings, corresponding with the public,
writing press releases, and who is the official spokesperson
of the Coalition?
2. What are their short and long term goals?
3. Who are the target audience?
4. Who are the officers of the Coalition?
5. Who is the head of the public relations?
6. Who is handling the finances?
Once this is taken care of and smooth sailing for the Coalition.
American Sign Language for the deaf babies is a very important cognitive development tool to master human language. The window of opportunity for the deaf brain to develop language is limited and parents should take the opportunity to see their deaf child acquire American Sign Language prior to speaking.
Once the deaf child has mastered visual language and they can be taught to learn how to speak. If the parents chooses cochlear implants for their deaf child should not be discourage from learning visual language.
I have nothing against technological hearing devices; nevertheless, without the visual language background established and it will become difficult to understand sounds/language. One can sign to the deaf child and at the same time reciting sounds.
This is what bilingual approach is about and using both language (American Sign Language and Spoken English) gives more power to the deaf child.
anon said,
July 16, 2008 @ 10:09 am
I’d like to address the commenter that thinks Barry explained the water bottle concept with DBC. I can say that it wasn’t him, because it was me. I do not know Barry well, but I get the sense that if he were to explain that concept, he would use his own name and not anon.
Additionally, if you want to issue a “word” to him, it would be more of a “whistleblower” than anything else and this society does indeed need whistleblowers when they see that something is very wrong.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 10:10 am
And just who are you, Anon, with your obviously fake email address “flippnbird@AOL.Com”? I’m willing to bet you’re Barry himself, hiding behind yet another alias.
EricJindra said,
July 16, 2008 @ 10:18 am
Hello good afternoon,
It was very interesting after reading your explaining about article “False Prophets.”
You might want to check http://www.nosmog.com because it is very very similar with http://www.cazona.com. During Gallaudet recently and nosmog was really big thing around at Gallaudet for investment thing. I was tempted to invest my money in nosmog.com but now after I read cazona.com and now I know it was totally scam thing. Nosmog.com, and cazona.com has same web outline with http://www.firekeepers.com. Thank God! Anyway maybe my inputs might help you to research for more farther.
False Prophet’s warnings were all around in Bible. If you want to find more information about it and please visit at http://biblelight.net/false-prophets.htm.
Behold Jesus for his words so that we could be saved,
Eric
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 16, 2008 @ 10:20 am
Thank you thank you thank you!
I have the same feelings that you have stated! AS for those of you who still support this “Dr.”- You may have some real issues with DBC, BUT you have destroyed your creditability when you joined with this “Dr.”.
How can anyone defend a person who publizied PRIVATE IM messages!?
Mishkazena said,
July 16, 2008 @ 10:43 am
Finally Some logic,
No… Others wanted to come out last Fall, but one former member and I asked them please not to… wait and see how DBC fares as we all wanted DBC to be very successful. It is. Then when Barry surfaced, others wanted to go ahead and I felt it wasn’t my position to hold them back again. They were very uncomfortable that DBC hadn’t revealed the Deafhood agenda for a long time and I understood how they felt.
No, we were not sucked into Barry’s scheme. He spoke the truth about DBC and we all confirmed that it’s the truth. Please do give us some credit
We are not easily manipulated.
If Deafhood cannot be separated like you say, then it’s even more reason why it should be explained in more details so the parents can understand better. They are getting mixed messages and they don’t understand what’s going on. If DBC explores the concepts behind deficit thinking, audism, audism behind the cochlear implants and oralism, colonialists to the public, then have some fact sheets on its website for further reference for the parents to check. As of now, they have no clue what these concepts are. They are confused.
Dan said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
DonG,
How about Deafhood foundation??? What is the main reason of Deaf cult leaders’ efforts to invest their time and expenses for DBC presentations and pushing Deafhood business projects to NAD? Simple! They wanted $$$ (grants from University) and it’s all about business, not Deaf community.
A lot of deaf people doesn’t understand what really does CULT mean. It’s not all about religious issue. CULT means group of followers have ONE COMMON INTEREST and BELIEF. Deafhood is one of best sample of Deaf cult thing. All followers just show up for their beliefs and hearts while the leaders are after the popularity and power $$$.
Ask any hearing people or open-minded deaf persons - what do they think about Deaf Cults. They replied so what, that is normal. It sounds insulting but funny one. Not too brutal term. While, we asked deaf (cults) people those who are against Diversity, CI, etc. They said DEAF CULT is too BRUTAL and HATRED TERM. Interesting… See the difference! Because of their insecurity!!! They don’t hear the term of CULT well in hearing society “Majority”. To me, SO WHAT.
Maybe, lack of education… hmmmm… compared to the general.
Examples: (False Prophets)
(1) Religion cult leaders are after the donations. $$$
(2) AGBELL cult leaders are after the sponsorship, gov’t, insurance funds. $$$
(3) Apple MAC cult leaders are after the profits $$$
(4) Deafhood cult leaders are after??????? Of course, $$$$.
For deaf community’s next generation??? not a TOP priority.
Clear to you???
Wake up!
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
Dan,
After your behavior to me and others during this whole thing, you have ZERO — no, even LESS THAN ZERO — credibility with me, and I think with many others. This post is almost civil, except for your repeated use of “Deaf Cult”. Your accusations are entirely unfounded. You have shown yourself to be someone that nobody should want to associate with. I have my suspicions who you are, and I hope I never meet you face to face, because it will take all my willpower not to knock your block off.
Candy said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:34 pm
oh boy…..DonG. you have stooped so low. you are doing the witchhunt thing. if u had proof, but you dont…yet and maybe not ever. until you have ur facts straight, don’t start the chaos. I have my reservations of this guy but I would never do something like this.
And there is a respect among us bloggers and vloggers, u don’t share email address, ever. Not unless u get their permission. whether it is valid or not. This time u have stooped soooo low.
DRHocokanIsACrabTheorist said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:43 pm
DrDonG,
FINALLY! FINALLY! Someone shed the truth on DR Hocokan!
Sheri,
Don spoke THE TRUTH, as opposed to SMEARING him. This is necessary, because DR Hocokan has been SMEARING DBC and anybody who gets in his way.
Standing up is necessary in order to restore dignity to our precious community.
DRHocokanIsACrabTheorist
anon said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:45 pm
Don, that email address is actually a real one, I just use it for spam emails. You can actually email it to see that it goes through and does not come back, therefore not a fake one. But why bother, you just delete the truth over and over as you have deleted my comments in the past.
anon said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
and if youre willing to bet, what do you wish to wager?
cuz its guaranteed you will lose that bet.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 16, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
“Finally Some logic”
hummm…that’s some starnge chioce of words to use, Mishkazena..considering the odd position you have taken about this
whole episode.
THere is nothing logic about flamming and hurting people…nor is there any logic about sharing PRIVATE IM mesages. AS I have said before…Shame on you and those of you who support this “Dr. H”.
You may had a good case against the DBC. But there is a approriate way and approriate resposnse to that.
Starting a flamming war is not the correct way. Baiting people is not the correct way. And publizing private IM messages is not the way.
Being used (willingly, apperarently) as the vehicle for a personal vendetta is not the way to start a communication line.
This “Barry ” has lot all creditability- and you are also losing it.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:02 pm
“Finally Some logic”
hummm…that’s some strange choice of words to use, Mishkazena..considering the odd position you have taken about this
whole episode.
There is nothing logic about flaming and hurting people…nor is there any logic about sharing PRIVATE IM messages. AS I have said before…Shame on you and those of you who support this “Dr. H”.
You may have had a good case against the DBC. But there is an appropriate way and appropriate response to that.
Starting a flamming war is not the correct way. Baiting people is not the correct way. And publishing private IM messages is not the way.
Being used (willingly, apperarently) as the vehicle for a personal vendetta is not the way to start a communication line.
This “Barry ” has lot all creditability- and you, Elizabeth, are also losing it.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
I meant:
This “Barry ” has lost all creditability- and you, Elizabeth, are also losing it.
ehe!
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
notice the similar website design for dbcfacts.com, cazona.com, imdeaf.com, and now nosmog.com
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:14 pm
Fine, Anon (flippinbird) — Come out and show your face! Let everybody know who you REALLY are (with proof, please). For that matter, why doesn’t everybody come out and tell their real names? If you believe in what you are saying, then you should not be afraid to let people know it. I have never hidden behind fake screen names and anonymity around Deaf Read. We are a community. We should know who each other is.
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
can’t find your email address….no where to be seen…I did check About…perhaps you removed Contact
Mishkazena said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Raphael, if you hadn’t noticed it, the Finally some logic is another commenter that I was responding.
If calling for transparency damages my credibility, this is a very odd thinking. So Washington Post reporting on Bush Administration and asking for transparency with the WMD at Iraq, was also losing credibility?
FYI, I did try to carry a constructive dialogue with the DBC leaders. They weren’t interested
In my opinion, people are mad at me because I ask that an organization be transparent and attempts to destroy my credibility. I am getting the impression it’s wrong for me, as a member of the Deaf Community, to have questions. It’s a sad day that D/deaf people cannot ask questions without being crucified. Hadn’t we learned a lesson from Gallaudet when Gallaudet administration hid many things from its members and eventually things got worse, leading to a revolt?
To tell you the truth, I’ve been in the hearing community for ten years before I resurfaced in the Deaf Community. In the hearing community, everybody are outspoken and ask questions. They are not afraid to express their thoughts. It’s expected in the hearing world…. we were taught this in high schools and universities.
I’ll be brutally honest and say that this lack of acceptance for open and healthy discourse is downright scary. It makes me feel we are living in a Communist community where we are penalized for asking questions. We live in America, for heavens’ sake!
.
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Also it’s not just bottled water marketing…barry must have been hoping to have his land to be used or sold for DBC retreats youth and adult…see all that info on his property http://www.kuuyi.com/locations.shtml possibly some phony properties …
anon said,
July 16, 2008 @ 1:57 pm
i dont come out in public for two reasons, one is that I dont crave attention, but I do want the truth to be known. I may contribuute with some points but I dont need it it be, oh its me that said it, i want the attention. Perhaps I will do that someday if I could contribute to a cause that I believe in.
Secondly, everyone uses psuedo-names, it does not identify who they are in person, i only chose to use anon as a psuedo-name its no different to any other nickname I may want to come up with as a psuedo-name.
If you never deleted my previous posts, then it could possibly be more of an incentive to me to come forth, but you just delete them, and that were valid points as well, but you are one-sided the way I see it so no reason for me to “come out” to you.
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Barry himself said he had no degree (college) on his one of his vlogs. Who in the world would allow him to be the DBC strategist?—I don’t care about his written English skill. I hate to speculate about his and John Egbert’s relationship…John simply had too much control over DBC….so I will stop now and “log off” for today…tomorrow I go camping for three days so I will not be checking the computer until I come back.
passingthru said,
July 16, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
http://www.dbcfacts.com/aim1.shtml
aim conv is still up….remmy you can use google cache.
Brian L. Mayes said,
July 16, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Boy, you are one of the most paranoid person I know… What are you hoping to gain from this? Personal gratification?? What? I agree with Candy, you have really scooped low. I pity you.
Sheri A. Farinha said,
July 16, 2008 @ 2:41 pm
Dan, I am in agreement with Don G. The more you use the word “deaf cult” the less people are going to listen to what you have to say.
To whomever wrote, “Don spoke THE TRUTH, as opposed to SMEARING him. This is necessary, because DR Hocokan has been SMEARING DBC and anybody who gets in his way.”
You just proved my point. I don’t know who Barry is, but he is still protected by the first amendment, provided info on what he feels needed to be revealed, and Don G ikewise. My point is, We keep seeing this go on and on, when are we going to step up and demand for it to stop?
People have a right to express their opinion of what they felt needed improving with the DBC. What went wrong is when people starting using names to attack certain members of the DBC, those who disagree with how it is managed like Anne Marie, Amy, Mz, and whoever else.
My point all along has been, if the purpose of what DBC is doing is good, then focus on that, help it improve or start anew. Its not doing any good to keep on “digging dirt” on any one person.
There are a lot of good people involved. I for one, cannot imagine how Ella must be feeling seeing her name creamed everywhere, and really ask for it to stop.
I think enough hurt has happened, I’m disgusted. Arent you all? Its one thing to make a point to express what is needed to improve, its entirely unacceptable to keep drilling it over and over, to the point its overkill, and has created the division even further.
Good grief! We are all human, as leaders, we do our best with the best interest of the community in our minds. If we make mistakes, its our responsibility to be accountable for our mistakes and learn from them, and move on.
But we should never be seeing such immature battles over personalities and what ever. AND, a witch hunt should have never occurred.
People - those of you who disagree with DBC’s management, you owe Ella an apology. Cruel insults are not acceptable. If you disagree, FINE. Be respectful about it and make your point. But to keep dragging her name through the mud is just deplorable.
I dont care which side you are on, its just downright wrong. perpetuating the witchhunt by finding wrong in the people who dissented your is equally as worse. FOCUS on the ISSUE. Does anyone know what the issue is anymore?
Obviously a great deal of anger remains in our community. Obviously a lot of healing still needs to happen. We hear you!!!
At this point in time, I request a call for ACTION. All this talk about ACCOUNTABILITY? Guess what? Accountability rests with ALL of US.
Huh? Yep thats right, YOU too!
You see unethical and immature behaviours commenting on v/blogs? Then Step up to the plate and demand a cease fire! Request respect and uphold the basic principles of free speech with regard to dissent!
Otherwise, you are guilty of lperpetuating the problem. Take action, don’t just sit there and complain and hurl insults amongst yourselves.
Lastly, BOYCOTT v/blogs who encourage this type of behaviour!
Remember, Its what you Do that counts!
SDA said,
July 16, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Don ~
Your post here was necessary and it is about high time that we know who Barry is.
I realize that some people who have commented here still do not get it. I can only hope that one day soon they will finally wake up and be fully enlightened!
Again, good job of putting together all the pieces on Barry.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
PassThru — I don’t think I removed the contact, but here it is Dr Don G @ deafhood discourses dot com
(remove spaces and put . for dot)
Sheri A. Farinha said,
July 16, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
Clarification on one paragraph:
People have a right to express their opinion of what they felt needed improving with the DBC. What went wrong is when people starting using names to attack certain members of the DBC, commenters flogged them! It went way beyond the “free speech” arena. Those who disagree with how it is managed like Anne Marie, Amy, Mz, at least showed respect when they expressed their dissent, but whether or not we liked what they said, they too are protected by our first amendment but they did not abuse it unlike some who have commented on the various v/blogs.
Thanks to those who emailed me asking for clarification.
napac said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
Don,
Another thought provoking b/vlog of yours! I walked into the False Prophets pdf file and I can see that you spent a lot of time gathering all of the possible information relating to the Man from the wide world web.
I do understand how you feel. I agree with why you felt compelled t post this information to “expose” Dr Hocokan,
BUT
I do not see anything fraudulent, scammish, or wrong with his involvement in the business world, his real estate ventures, and his relationship with his home town. I do not see anything fishy, funny, or illegal. He is a businessman and obviously a very ambitious one.
You know businesspeople, they can be shady they can be money grubbers they can be hard working . . . what he does for his family living is very impressive for a Deaf person. See what he has done to his empire is amazing. He can be a wonderful role model for our deaf children.
He is a whistleblower and got condemned by some of us. Oh well.
At least he told the truth.
DBC will resurrect and this time we know better not to repeat the same mistakes.
No biggie.
Anyway, thanks for this blog and the link.
nacpac said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:24 pm
oh crap, for the above comment, I’m “nacpac” for the native asl parent with ci child. You gave me the acronym and I liked it. Nacpac, so be it!
nacpac said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:28 pm
Sheri,
I appreciate your involvement in this matter in several blogs in DR today. We need your wisdom and subjectivity. No wonder youre so good at your job.
Hey Don, where’s my comment about DR Hocokan? It disappeared from the list, hmmm??? I was nice, I was sure of that. Haha.
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
NACPAC –
Don’t remember seeing it… ? Not in queue now…
nacpac said,
July 16, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Oh, its up there now. Allright.
Duh, I meant objectivity when in reference to Shari. Guess we Deafies all have something in common: worried about our English. Thus my need for correction. :oP
DrDonG said,
July 16, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
NACPAC –
I’m afraid I’m going to have to strongly disagree (so what else is new, huh?) with you that Barry is just a “whistleblower”. When a pattern of behavior arises with someone that that person creates chaos in every organization and relationship he has, in my book, it means there is something wrong with that person. I don’t believe people should be or can be perfect, but most ordinary people don’t seem to leave a trail of tears behind them everywhere they go.
As for his business, ok, I can’t say it isn’t legitimate, because it is, technically. But it is a quasi-pyramid scheme, and most people know those things don’t work, unless you get in early (or set it up yourself)…
–DonG.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 17, 2008 @ 5:53 am
To Mishazena:
You still don’t get it!
I said:
“You may have had a good case against the DBC. But there is an appropriate way and appropriate response to that.”
And I also said:
“Starting a flaming war is not the correct way. Baiting people is not the correct way. And publishing private IM messages is not the way.
Being used (willingly, apparently) as the vehicle for a personal vendetta is not the way to start a communication line.”
It’s interesting to me that you did not address my main points (the above points) in your response #31.
This “Barry” has admitted on your blog that he has a personal vendetta against the leadership of DBC i.e.” until they apologized to me, I will keep on doing this”.
Baiting and calling other people names are NOT a good way to communicate.
You are hurting your own creditability…by remaining silent and by given this mean, vindictive man a platform to spew his anger.
And one more thing- you have yet to address the violation of the one of the most scared thing in Deaf culture- the publishing of PRIVATE IM messages.
Shame on you.
Mishkazena said,
July 17, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Raphael,
You are not acknowledging the fact that I and the other former DBC core members have the same experiences. The others wanted to come forward last Fall, but I asked them not to, because I wanted to see DBC succeed. It did. I’m glad it is doing very well.
When I published my posts, it was with civility. I was caught completely off guarded by the intensity of deep anger and furor in the Deaf Community. Apparently these feelings were simmering for a long time, long before this request for DBC to become fully transparent.
You may see my credibility damaged. However, I’ve received a lot of support from the Deaf Community and the deaf leaders who appreciated me coming forward. They appreciate the honesty.
I guess we will need to agree to disagree.
Mishkazena said,
July 17, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Oh, by the way, I’ve tried repeatedly to discuss this with the DBC leaders. They weren’t interested in having an open discourse with me, leaving me no choice but to come forward.
Mishkazena said,
July 17, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
Raphael, no I didn’t know it was a taboo in the Deaf Community to publish business meetings.
It’s been removed the link once I realized it is being used to get people fired from their jobs. I was shocked that anyone, especially a Deaf person, would do something like that. I do not want people to get hurt.. that was never my intention. I was only asking for transparency about the deafhood part so everybody will knjow where DBC stands. I don’t care if people are against C.I. and oralism, as long as these people don’t reject deaf oral people or c.i. users.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 18, 2008 @ 6:16 am
And you [Editor: I think he is referring to MishkaZena] still do not get it!
Allowing this mean , vindictive man to go on and on hurts you.
Like I said before- you may have had a good case…but there was a way to present it.
I warned you in private e-mails that this “Dr. H” sounded like a bitter and angrey man.
You and “Dr. H” chose to go another way…the wrong way. Flamming and baiting and calling people names are NOT the way to present your case.
I find it hard it to believe that you did not know that it was taboo to published IM conversation. You, a deaf person and a blogger. This does NOT take a PH. D. to understand. Even the hearing world understand this: that’s why you have to have a Court order to get private records of phone calls, e-mails, etc. Even so, if you did not know, “dr. H” knew.
I have been in contact with a lot of deaf people in the past 2 weeks since this has started, and ..franklly Mishazena, everyone has told that you have hurt your credtiably.
Don’t pin this one on me..you have hurt your credtibilty.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 18, 2008 @ 6:28 am
“When I published my posts, it was with civility.”
YOU allowed this to go on mudslinging, Elizabeth. It’s your blog…you control it. God knows you delete my responses…yet you continue to post the one person who continues to posts angry, vindictive posts-”dr.H”.
“The blues” was correct- and the lawyer was correct-
As taken from your own blogs:
“I won’t stopped until they (the DBC leadership) apologized to me” -Dr. H.
It sounds like sour grapes…because it is sour grapes.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 18, 2008 @ 9:43 am
I ment - “everyone has told me that you have hurt your credtiably.”
Sorry for my typo- I have not been feeling well lately.
Mishkazena said,
July 18, 2008 @ 12:56 pm
I deleted your comments only because the flame war was continuing, despite my requests to stop the flaming war and address to the topic. Not only you, but the other two ignored my repeated requests to cease therefore I had to put my blog into a moderation mode.
I allow comments in my blog, whether I agree with them or not. Even at my expense, when others bash me. I don’t practice double standards, blocking some commenters because I don’t like their comments while allowing others to, like some other bloggers and vloggers do. I don’t operate that way. Everybody is entitled to their expressions, favorable and unfavorable.
About the loss of my ‘credibility’, apparently it is from people who don’t want to hear both sides, preferring only one side. I’ve received a lot of support from the Deaf Community, including leaders.
I stand for the truth and will not stoop to deliberate deception or manipulation of Deaf Community. If you don’t like it, then what can I say?
Again that AIM is a BUSINESS meeting, not a private personal chat between friends. You didn’t address my reference to Dr Fernandes’ e mail nor the e mails between Schwartz and Levinson where Levinson expressed his audism incurring no public outcry about the publications. However, because it is an organization we all support, I am criticized for asking for transparency and facts.
I see it that people want me to practice double-standard and report only the favorable, never the unfavorable, never mind that there’s partial transparency. Sorry.. this is not my style. Just because I cover both doesn’t mean I want to destroy organizations. This oppressive atmosphere of the Deaf Community I am seeing now saddens me. I see that Deaf Community promotes repression of deaf empowered people, even people on their side. There is no deaf empowerment here.
Think about this, Raphael. If I wasn’t empowered in the first place, I wouldn’t have started my blog on Unity for Gallaudet. I will keep quiet, afraid to rock the boat because it’s not ok for me to ask questions and transparency.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 21, 2008 @ 7:00 am
“I deleted your comments only because the flame war was continuing, despite my requests to stop the flaming war and address to the topic. Not only you, but the other two ignored my repeated requests to cease therefore I had to put my blog into a moderation mode.”
Oh right…hummmm…let me get this straight…you deleted my comments…and yet you say you are the defenders of free speech…and yet you allowed the one person who started and continues to this day to make off the wall statements…inflaming the community …hummmmmmmmm…some strange logic you have.
Im’s messages are NOT PRIVATE?
Wow…gee…I am sure that is news to millions of people worldwide (deaf and hearing a like). And to the Federal government, who HAD to, in the past to get a Federal Judge to issue a warrant to received a private IM conversation.
YOU STILL DON’T GET IT…. WE ARE SCAREAMING AT YOU ….TELLING YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS ONE….. ARE YOU REALLY SO NERROWMINDED?
Gee …Elizabeth,…You are in the sandbox.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 21, 2008 @ 7:07 am
And it is interesting to me that you have not repsonded (directly or otherwise) to my post about ““I won’t stopped until they (the DBC leadership) apologized to me -Dr. H.
It sounds like sour grapes…because it is sour grapes.”
YOu did allowed this vindictive man to use you.
Silly me, Elizabeth, I thought it was your blog.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 21, 2008 @ 7:15 am
One more thing:
“I deleted your comments only because the flame war was continuing, despite my requests to stop the flaming war and address to the topic. Not only you, but the other two ignored my repeated requests to cease therefore I had to put my blog into a moderation mode.
To get the record straight-
My responses was not inflamming words. I was only repsonding to that crazzy man….and my words were not baiting, scaisms words. I was respectful.
You either have/had a hidden agenda, or is caught up in this so heavily that you can’t see the daylight.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 21, 2008 @ 9:59 am
Why don’t you read and re-read the many postings that have said THE SAME THINGS THAT I AM SAYING? ARE WE ALL WRONG?
You have hurt your creditabilty. And each day that passes when you continue to deny the truth, your creditabily sinks to a new low, Elizabeth.
Every day,I get hundreds of e-mail saying the exact same things
that I have been saying for the past 2 weeks.
Why don’t you wake up…and see the self destructive path you are on?
Just to give you ONE of the many posts that keeps trying to say to you that you are on the wrong path:
On this blog-
anonymouse said,
July 18, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
MishkaZena,
I believe you have a good heart and good intentions. But you seem to have difficulty hearing what people are trying to tell you.
You keep reiterating the same points over and over, when these points have been addressed. What many people have a problem with is how those concerns were raised. At least one ex-core member was very destructive in how he aired those concerns. You, while you have remained very civil and offered a more balanced view, have allowed others to perform verbal violence on others on your blogsite.
It’s not about oppression of dissent. It is about objecting to toxic individuals and their destructive behavior…. and those who enable such behavior.
Please attempt to understand this. Thank you.
Anonymous said,
July 22, 2008 @ 1:02 am
Raphael J. St. Johns is correct and Mishkazena is wrong.
Business meetings are confidential. The only exception is for
government agencies, and even some business meetings of
government agencies are confidential, too.
Mishkazena is getting way out of her league, and has lost credibility.
Raphael J. St. Johns said,
July 22, 2008 @ 11:02 am
Thank you to post #59…it’s really too bad that she (Mishka Zena) has back herslef into a corner..where she has lost alot of creditability.
I feel for her….she is,appearently, so blinded by her position..that she has gone against a lot of her own policies ( accusing us of censorship, while she practices censorships on her blog, for example).
I have been told by many crimminal lawyers that warrents are needed for any form of communications: e-mails, im meassages, phone records.
The expectations of privacy are there. Despite what Mishkazena Zena
said.